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Deepest Spirituality Podcast Season 1 Episode 1: Our Understanding of Spirituality in our Youth

Welcome, fellow spiritual rebels! In this episode, we delve into the depths of our souls and explore the enchanting realm of spirituality in our youth. Buckle up, because this topic is as vast as the universe itself. So, without further ado, let’s embark on this exhilarating journey together.

Now, rewind back to those glorious days of innocence and wonder. As we reflect upon our childhood, one burning question arises: did we even grasp the concept of spirituality? Picture this, dear reader – a time when the world was a kaleidoscope of mysteries waiting to be unraveled.

Stay tuned, for this is just the beginning. Let the winds of change carry us towards a brighter future, where spirituality becomes our guiding compass and rebellion against the norm becomes our anthem.

Are you ready to join the spiritual revolution? Let’s dive in and explore the magic of our spiritual youth!

Sunshine: All right, everyone, welcome to the first ever recorded episode of Deepest Spirituality. We are your co-hosts Sunshine, the pink-haired psychic medium.

Devin: and Devin, the mindful mage,

Sunshine: We just want to remind you, if you are happening and stumbling across this podcast, maybe it was forwarded it to you. Maybe you just found it on the web, I don’t know, maybe the divine universe just plopped it right into your lap, please go out and check for all of the other episodes. Because I’m positive when this one is released, there are going to be a handful more that are coming right after it already there depending upon when in space and time you’re listening to this. 

So that being said, today’s topic. This is the first podcast Devin. So we talked about these first couple, it’s a little bit about us, right let’s let the folks that we are talking with get to know us get to know why we’re here and what we’re doing. And today, this episode, because let’s be real, we’re recording three of them. So you are not going to see outfit changes if you have any watching these videos. So I did talk and I did think about that this morning. I know I’m so silly.

Today we’re talking about our spirituality in our youth, like what was our understanding of that? And so I, you know, I’ve been thinking about this, I knew we were going to talk about this. And boy, is that like such a gigantic topic. Right? So I’m curious, Devin, what was it like? Did you even know what spirituality was as a kid?

Devin: I think it’s like, as a child, I’ll just say I but I think you know, this is generally the case for all kids. There’s no distinction between varying levels of spirituality or reality. It’s all just one experience. And so there’s no there’s not even an ego yet. 

No difference between the self and the other. Which, ironically, speaking, and this is why kids are some of the wisest beings on the planet. That’s what adults strive to experience when they pursue spiritual evolution is the experience of oneness with the self and the other kids are there automatically. Yeah, they don’t even have an ego yet. They’re just like a sensory Oregon experiencing the world. So I’m into that.

Sunshine: I’m reminded, we’ve got a mutual friend by the name of AmaJean And she told me once upon a time, I guess, our soul at the age of seven in our you know, incarnate life goes through like a real deep like we that’s the age that we tend to learn what our, you know, spiritual journey is really going to take us the path, it’s going to take us down, like, you might not know it at seven. But that’s like the time that life lesson hits us. And so this interesting thought hit me as I was asking and listening to you. Oh, my God, that’s when the child meets the ego for the first time.

Devin: About that time. Yeah, that’s also around the time that your teeth start falling out. So you’ve come in, which is a really trippy experience.

Sunshine: That’s weird, we have different teeth.

Devin: Yeah, right. That one, it really does mark a powerful gateway into a new phase of life.

Sunshine: See, now, you don’t we didn’t talk about this. But I had a tooth poll earlier this week. And I asked them for it. And they were like, no, they denied me it. And so now I’m really thinking I should have had that too. That’s messed up your property? I thought that’s what I thought, you know, I’m on like, nitrous oxide and a whole bunch of Novocaine. So I’m like, oh, whatever you say.

Devin: Right. Yeah, there’s, I’m gonna do my best to like, really keep my side of the container tight because it takes every single word out of our mouths and invitation to go down. Massive. 

Sunshine: Don’t you worry, I’m always gonna help. I’m always going to be the navigator that brings us back. So once again, you answered I asked the question, like, did you even know what spirituality was as a kid? 

Devin: And I gave kind of a general answer. But I’ll be more personal because that’s what that’s what we’re trying to do here. No, I didn’t know. But, but what I did know is that I seemingly, was experiencing things that the people around me were not experiencing. Because I would try to talk about things with my parents and my friends at the time. This is like before the age of 10. Let’s just say.

And no one really would go there with me. They would just not hold space for it. They would treat it as just an overactive imagination, or not even overactive. I don’t want to sound so pessimistic. But it was just make believe. And I’m like, No, it’s not. Can we talk about this? And I don’t have a very clear recollection of my childhood from a first person perspective. I don’t know why maybe, maybe my mind thinks it’s not really relevant at this point in my life, maybe there was a lot of pain that happened. 

So there’s kind of just like this general fog over the whole thing. But going by what other people have told me, for example, my mom would tell me that I was always very intense.

Sunshine: I can see you I can see little intense Devin. 

Devin: He said, when I was born into the world, I didn’t make a sound. And I just would stare. I would just stare up. Just like, taking everything in. And she said, just a couple of days ago, we were talking. You know, I think this episode is very relevant. Because I’ve been kind of reconnecting with my mom, we’ve both been through a lot over the years in our own way. And there’s this rekindling of our connection and some rebuilding of trust, which I think is really, really nourishing to some parts of me. And she tells me about how I was as a kid and how I was always asking the deepest questions.

Like the deepest why and how, and like, I don’t know, she was talking about some I would like Cheerios in my highchair. And she said, “You were putting together very advanced philosophical questions by age three.” And you’re asking like, well, what is this cheerio made of? Oh, it’s made of, you know, wheat? How does it get made into a cheerio? Like, how did you grow the wheat? And like, why did they make it into a cheerio? Why is it in a circle? Yeah, stuff like that. And, it’s been fun to kind of, like, go fishing inside of my memory bank for that. That feeling of of

Sunshine: Curiosity? 

Devin: Yeah. And, and just like deep intrigue, to understand, which I think is a very big part of spirituality, although it doesn’t necessarily need to be in the context of spirituality. I might as well have been a scientist, you know, they go on to well, together.

Sunshine: They do. Spirituality and Science, it’s hard. Like there are people that would probably draw a really hard line. But I don’t know how that line is not crossed. Right. I don’t know that we’ve ever talked about this,I was known as a child, they have constantly asked the question why. Right, like, but you know, that little kid that was just like, Well, why this? Why that and like, you know, the parents just throw their hands kind of in the air out of frustration, like, I don’t have the answers, right. But yeah, I was known as that as a little kid of being able to ask why I forget. My grandpa would tell a story of how I was, like two years old and walked up to him and said, How do you do? And then some questions around like, why? You know, and yeah, yeah. So it’s amusing to find that we both have that in common.

Devin: I think that’s a kid thing, too, though, you know, I think that’s what kids are here to do. Kids are inherently spiritual beings, and it’s uncomfortable for a lot of adults. And so they get put into boxes and made to sit at desks and, and all the spiritual juices is squeezed at them. And then they’re filled with, you know, our jaded perception of reality. Yeah,

Sunshine: I was thinking because I asked you the question, if you knew what spirituality was, and I, I kind of asked myself the same thing. What I have I sat with was, I don’t even think I knew what spirit was, let alone to know like not like, I think I’ve even shared with you I knew that I was seeing ghosts as a kid, but and but I call them people without bodies. Yeah. But I didn’t know that it was spirit that these were spirits like that there was this other thing, you know, this concept of like otherness, not this snus. You know, like that it was different, um, that I don’t think I knew. But interesting, because I think I think this is probably a big conversation that people have. Were you raised with religion? Right?

Devin: Yeah, I was raised Roman Catholic.

Sunshine: I didn’t realize you were Roman Catholic too. I was the same.

Devin: And my dad’s side of the family. It was Jewish. But we, my mom’s side, were Roman Catholic. And that’s what we went with. I never saw my dad participating much in religion at all. Either Judaism or Roman Catholicism. But I went through the whole I went to public school, but I went to an after school Catholic program.

Sunshine: Catechism.

Devin: Yeah, CDC. And I went through the whole thing, you know, I was baptized soon after my birth, and I went, got my, my communion, and then my confirmation, and it’s a big deal. And it’s like why is it a big deal? I could never connect with the God they talked about.

Sunshine: You know, looking back at this, what I just kind of got was, there was more the fulfillment of the motions, and the prescription of the initiation. There, then there was in allowing the true meaning, right, like you were just in second grade, that’s when you went to first communion, right? Rather than like, allowing these children to like, be in their spirituality and embrace that choice of that religion. And then when they’re ready, decide, yes, I actually want to have my first communion. Yes. Now I’m ready for my confirmation. Yes. Right. Like I get this. I understand. It was very prescribed, like, that’s just what you did if you were a Roman Catholic.

Devin: Yeah. I think that speaks a lot to the loss of significance of traditions across multiple generations of people. It becomes just a kind of vapid progression of, of behavior that used to be powerful ritual, because it was held with the awareness of being a powerful initiation ritual. Today, it’s just like, going through the motions.

Sunshine: Yeah, it just, it just hit me. As far as that goes, right? You go back, hundreds and 1000s. You know, I mean, technically, almost 2000 years when Christ was born, but you go back all those hundreds a year, life expectancy was shorter. Right. So if you literally were Catholic, and you, you know, like, there are probably people getting married at 1617 years of age. So like, if you didn’t follow that prescriptive path that is very distinctive, you know, do boom, boom, boom, boom, yes, the likelihood of being able to actually receive you know, your marriage together because you have to like, I’m pretty positive.

If you’re a convert to Catholicism in order to get married, you have to be baptized, receive First Communion and confirmation beforehand. So like, you’d have Yeah, so like, at once upon a time, I might have been able to understand why that prescriptive nature like life extended life was very different, but in today’s world, as a child to be prescribed a spiritual path based upon a religion that you don’t you really to your point do not understand something you didn’t get that God you didn’t understand it and you weren’t given enough time space to explore and find that understanding. It’s your set for yourself. Yeah. Okay, so yeah.

Devin: WhenI remember for most of my childhood, I lived in the same house at the end of a private road, at the top of a small hill at the base of a big mountain with two fields, very small, kind of small All metal like fields, surrounded by Woods. And that was my cathedral. Yeah, I would go out. And there’s this one. One place in particular, just into the woods, at the edge of this meadow with like this very slow Creek. And there was this fallen tree, this big fallen tree like this. And this big flat rock that moved. I used to call that the dancing rock. And I’ll just play on that and like climb on the trees and then jump across these skunk cabbages in the creek. And it’s like, I felt more connected.

I don’t know what that means. And I wouldn’t think or say it that way, at the time. But in hindsight, with all my other life experience, I can say that I felt more connected. Doing that, than I did reading about Catholicism or or trying to learn about religion. Yeah. Or learn about God from a book.

Sunshine: Yeah, you think about like, the picture that is being painted of me, it you know, of you doing that versus like, being at home or in school or, you know, in, you know, it’s like, from your energy peace, like, you’re safe, you’re in a place that you know, and you understand you’re really really finding enjoyment in it. Like you get to call the shots, right? You like, you look around and like you love like what you’re exploring, like, you’re literally being yourself. Right? And you probably we’re doing a whole shit ton of imaginative play out there, like, so you go through all of that, like, you’re fired up, you’re fired. The fuck up all of your chakras is this little cater open? Of course, you’re gonna feel connected.

Right? Like, of course, you’re gonna feel connected, right? But then I watch I picture you come in, like back out of the woods and going back at home and like, all of them kind of just ever so slightly get fuzzy and shut. So yeah, I you know, I love that you kind of went there because I asked like, what was mine, and I, you know, I grew up in the city, and wasn’t like New York City, but it was in Detroit. You know, the neighborhoods in Detroit, you know, houses are right next to each other. And I didn’t want to play outside. But my bedroom was it. My bedroom was like, my safe place. You know, like if I was, I said this to Dan, you think it was last night somehow we got into this topic. And I was like, my bedroom. My parents didn’t respect my privacy. 

If I wasn’t home, they had no problem snooping through my stuff. Mostly my mom. But if I was home, and the door was closed, it was respected. Right, which I was very lucky for that from that particular piece, because that was the only time I really felt safe at home or in the neighborhood was there in that bedroom. Versus like, because we’ve done all those channeling sessions. The other other place that I actually felt safe was school. Right? Oh, you know, just hit me too. Like I felt safe at school. So think about, think about a child here today. Think about a child today, who was like me in a household. Like I grew up in an alcoholic household, there was a lot of walking on eggshells, there was a lot of anger there was you know, you know, emotional violence. And so I felt safe in my bedroom and at school. Kids today can’t even feel safe at school. Oh my god, like, what a world? What a challenging world, man.

Devin: It is a very challenging time to be incarnate.

Sunshine: I, you know, look back in history, there’s probably plenty of times where it’s hit this level of like, you know, real uncomfortability what I’m even trying to thank I mean, there’s been times like, there are definitely stories around, you know, orphans and children that were like left into foster or like, of the state or the, you know, any of that. Like, I’ve definitely read some pretty horrific things in history. But I don’t know that I’ve read anything that is talked about children being afraid of other children.

I’m like, and even I’m asking my guides and they’re like, no, if you were to go back throughout history, not where a child would not have been fulfilling an order of an adult. So like, this is the first time in humanity’s history that a child has had to be afraid of another child’s will.

Devin: I need to let that sink in. Like, oh shit, and that’s that’s, that’s pretty fucked up. So yeah. I mean, now that that’s digested a little bit there’s always that jerk kid who is in pain, you know who’s gonna bully? They’re probably going to be bullies for a long time. Yes, but it sounds like you’re talking about a more systemic situation.

Sunshine: I don’t know and I would love for somebody at some point that’s listening to this so share with us that they know the history yours any stories but I like my guides are saying that there are no historical records of children inflicting intentional life taking violence on other children that’s what they’re coming through and saying without a parent being involved in it. So what I am like an adult, so you may have like there are there are historically there are stories of like eight year old children going into battle. 

You know, in Vietnam, they use children to go out with IEDs and things of that nature. That is not what I’m referring to, there are historical records of that. But literally have like, one child walking into a school with a gun and taking the lives of other students and or teachers intentionally without a parent or an adult advising. Yeah, that is it’s the first time in human history that we’ve witnessed that that’s like I said, I’d love somebody to listen to refute that. But yeah, I mean, that’s, that, to me is the that is why like, you know, when I think sometimes of like, why we’re having this conversation, why we’re having any of these conversations, like talking about and exploring our spirituality and getting comfortable with it and getting deep with it.

And knowing what it is and how it supports us, as adults, is critical, because many of us, not your eye, but many of us that are going to listen to me listening, have children, you got to help them navigate this world, not just on the physical and the mental plane. But on that spiritual plane. You’ve got to understand that when you’ve got a little Devin walking up to you and asking all these questions or you know, playing make believe that it’s not a joke. they very well may be seeing, feeling understanding and getting messages that you as an adult with a blocked ego can’t receive. 

I don’t know that I even had it down for us to even talk about this. But like, This, to me, is part of why this podcast and any of the other ones that you know, our listeners are coming across talking about exploring love, fall it like that’s why it’s so important. That’s why we can never have enough of us talking about sharing this. And getting these types of messages out there. Because we do live, you know, you and I. I’m 43 Devin, I think you’re right. 10 years. Yep. A little bit more than anyone, anyone, right? We, even you. Even with us having that, you know, however many years difference between us. We didn’t grow up in this world that we live in right now. We didn’t have to have that type of experience. 

But these kids these days, that’s the stuff that they have to face. And these aren’t battles that you fight with mental health, let’s be real. I love that thought of like, Yeah, let’s go strengthen the mental health around our kids and our youth and I get that but if you are also working on their spiritual health.

Devin: Well, I think spiritual health. I don’t want to use the word health. I think spiritual connection is paramount to mental health. Yes, mental health is paramount to physical well being as well.

Sunshine: Yeah, they’re all it’s mind, body and spirit. They’re all connected. They’re all connected. Yeah, I would agree. I just don’t think as a child we were ever taught that. I don’t think that’s ever explained to us. You know, I don’t think that and I’m sure there are some I’m being told Right now, like, there are some cultures that definitely are better at it. That it is part of their culture to like-

Devin: It’s more integrated into their, into their culture and it’s like, well, something you need to teach. We only need to teach this, teach this because it’s, we’ve been taught otherwise. Yeah, it’s an unlearning of all this stuff.

Sunshine: Well, you know, I just heard the reason why it has to be taught is because people aren’t living it. You don’t have to teach it if you’re just living it and-

Devin: In it, you know, but but here’s the thing, like, what does it look like to be immersed in spirituality? Because what it looks like is behavior. And what it feels like, is like, emotional harmony, –

Sunshine: And peace, love, happiness, hope, optimism. Yeah.

Devin: How do you get that? How do you get that stuff? And it’s like, oh, well, maybe physical needs are met. Okay, a mental well being and emotional well being is there. Okay. But where does that come from? Is it you know, it doesn’t. I don’t think it’s productive to make an argument about whether it’s bottom up or top down. Whether it comes from, you know, like, the hierarchy-

Sunshine: Every person, it’s different for everyone. That’s my, that’s my opinion. Yeah, I had an argument, and then one person will be able to say, no, that’s not is for me and your arguments maybe.

Devin: Right. And then, for me, from my perspective, I think I was gonna say automatically we get emotional harmony when we’re spiritually connected, and immersed in that. But this might be a conversation for another time, you know, talking about spirituality versus religious dogma. People who, for example, like, are really attached to the identity of being a sinner. You know, and there’s no way to change that.

Sunshine: Yeah. I mean, that’s their belief. Right? My prescription has always been, I don’t care what you believe, just choose to believe something. Right? The only people that I would ever probably really get into a battle with would be like, true agnostics. Because you would argue that they are choosing to not to believe in some not nothing, you know, like, your atheist knows that atheists atheist, like, you’d still tell it like so they would argue like, No, I haven’t like no, you still are like, that’s your did your choice.

Devin: A very fun conversation about atheism.

Sunshine: Yeah. Like, you know, it’s like, even when you don’t choose, you’re still choosing.

Devin: No such thing as not believing. 

Sunshine: You believe in something, even if that is nothing.

Devin: That would bring me also into this into this idea, this concept that I’ve been playing with, between believing and knowing, like the difference between believing and knowing, like the Buddha would say, don’t believe in anything, actually don’t believe, like, know, things based on your real experience of the world. Yeah. And so if we’re, if I’m being honest, I know God.

I know, spirit. I know these things. But based on my own personal experience, now my experience will be different from other people’s experiences. And so their conception of what God and the universe or Goddess and the great spirit and all this stuff is, but I don’t, I don’t need to believe and for another discussion. 

What I really think about belief, you know, there’s this idea that Seeing is believing, believing is seeing right, but I think the concept of belief has actually hijacked the real underlying creative energy of desire is what is belief. Belief is what is belief? What it’s like, don’t believe things. Why does anyone believe something? Anyway? Why do you believe? I think that’s, it’s like this false. This facade that’s been put over our room real creative power, perhaps you know, for nefarious purposes? Sure. Our real creative power is desire. And that gets into like the law of attraction or the law of mirroring, or you know that that kind of thing, but like, desire is what’s real. So don’t believe, is what I would say, No things based on your experience, and use your desire to get what you want.

Sunshine: Yeah, I think we can probably go in circles on this particular one, because there’s like a whole connection between all of that, like, once you desire something, you have to, you know, like I keep every time I keep bouncing to like, how they are, these words actually are so intertwined, it’s hard not to have all of them in that conversation. Because once you desire something, you actually have to believe that it’s possible for you to have it. Right, there’s like, some need to believe. Right? As and once you believe that’s possible, that’s where the knowing comes in. Now you can choose to know it’s yours.

So like, part of my monthly invocation is actually like, you know, talking to the planetary bodies, and reminding us that what we desire is actually already ours. Right. So like, you have to like, but do you have to believe in that statement? As being like the truth? So like, Yeah, we could go, we could go on.

Devin: I agree with you. Because I, because I know what you’re saying. Or like, I know what your words mean. Yes. Yeah. But, but I, I stress words, very importantly, you know, just from a hypnotherapeutic standpoint, from a magical spelling standpoint. So honestly, I think most of the discussion we would have about the idea of believing from my perspective, is semantical. One, because I think the energy that the word believe points to could be expressed. 

Sunshine: Correct. 

Devin: Better word. 

Sunshine: That’s why they keep showing me that it’s like, yeah, like the same spindle, and it’s just like –

Devin: Yeah, I want to create a better, a better conceptual framework for understanding and, and practicing what you’re talking about. Yeah, that’d be Yeah,

Sunshine: I want to go back you said something, just because we’re talking about youth. And so I’m curious. You know what God was like, did you have a relationship with God? So I guess you knew that this wasn’t your God, but like, what What was God to you as a child? Like what what really was it? You knew that this Roman Catholic God did not? didn’t feel right? Something was off, but what was it what was it otherwise?

Devin: Very similar to Santa Claus, honestly. Or like, you know, like similar, like, if I’m asking Santa Claus for what I want for Christmas, it’s like I asked God for what I want in my, in my reality, you know, sort of like this. I don’t think I ever had a fearful relationship with God. Even based on what I was learning in learning from my parents and their relationship with God and learning in the Catholic tradition, I never had a fearful relationship with God, it was always more like this.

More like this parental figure, who, and probably inspired by my own parents, and my desire for how I would have wanted my parents to be so like can be very kind can be very demanding sometimes or like holding me accountable, not quite punishing me, but like holding me accountable to things. And I’m not sure like at this moment, an image of God is not coming to mind. So I’m not sure I actually ever had an image of God I may have ride on the stereotypical masculine figure up there somewhere.

But I don’t think that ever stuck with me. There wasn’t really that it’s like, well, I feel like there’s something special in the woods when I’m playing by myself out there in nature. So that kind of feels like God a little bit too. Is God in this? Honestly, I think I was thinking about this very much as a kid. Like I was really wondering what is and why and how so I was always philosophizing about this stuff. Where is God? If God isn’t right here, then where is God outside of this? What does that mean? Outside of am I in something? What? And so like, all of this, all of this stuff?

Sunshine: Yeah, I would say. I think maybe you’ve heard the story. But you know, not only was I Roman Catholic, I went to Catholic school. So like, my religion was like, literally ingrained within my schooling itself. And so I was like, 11 years old. And I’d asked our parish priest if I could be an altar girl, because they just started to allow some, some parish girls to actually help it mass. 

And he said, No. And I asked why? And he said, because it was his church. And that was what really threw me. I was like, What do you mean, it’s your church? Like, I thought this was God’s Church, like, What are you talking about? And so, you know, it’s similar thing, like, I don’t ever have this concept, or this picture of right, per se. I mean, I guess like, I’ve saw plenty of pictures in Scripture, right, and things of that nature. So I definitely had that concept. 

But I mean, I remember even kind of talking and I talking to God at that time and finding comfort in like, that’s not a truth being told to me. Right. Yeah, that’s not that’s not a truth, like, you know, so keep seeking, keep searching. And so, yeah, I, I don’t know. I don’t know that I ever really even prescribe to the Catholic dogma. I understood it. You know, even when I’m like, I’m kind of like, looking back. I like I understood what it was. I think I unknowingly understood what spirituality was. And that that was more important than what I was being taught.

Devin: I would even say that you knowingly understood what spirituality was. And like, that’s the kind of knowing Yeah, I’m talking about when I say what it means to know something like he just knew that. He wasn’t. You knew what he was saying wasn’t true.

Sunshine: Yeah, that was yeah, it was. So yeah, it’s been. And I don’t know, I should look up the movie. Because you said like, Where is God type stuff. And I remember and I want to say I was a teenager when the movie stigmata came out. And have you seen stigmata? No, you’ve never seen it. That’s an interesting movie. But there is a piece of it in that particular movie. Where they are basically they found what is the one gospel is the gospel of James?

Devin: I wouldn’t know.

Sunshine: There’s a particular gospel that has been intentionally left out of the Bible. And it’s because of  the content that is in it. And there’s literally a saying that says, that it’s being shared in this gospel that is like God speaking and saying, like, if you want to know where I am split a piece of wood in there I am. Right, basically, yeah, basically, the concept that he was getting across is I am everywhere. Like you don’t need a church, you don’t need a priest you don’t need, right I am, wherever you are.

Devin: And that’s completely contradictory to the kind of like, idea of God as apart from creation, like separate from creation, which is kind of how these religions have maintained a very firm grasp on what we can consider this reality to be.

Sunshine: Yeah, we always have to understand any of us that are on a spiritual journey, any of us that are choosing to prescribe to a particular religion, I hope that you’re always knowing and understanding that when you are choosing to follow a dogma that has been established by other individuals, that they are just as human as you are.

And so that means if they are just as human, they are just as possibly fallible in the message that it was made had to be received how it was meant to be translated, right. So this is like, as a psychic medium, everything falls back to follow and trust my intuition, follow my guides, follow what the universe shows me, because that’s the right path, not what’s written in some book.

Devin: Have you heard the story of this fun little story about the Thanksgiving ham?

Okay, so one Thanksgiving morning, a mother is preparing a ham to be baked for the festivities later that day, and her son comes over, and he notices that she’s cutting the corners off the ham. And then she puts the ham in the pan, and then into the oven. And the son asks, “Why did you cut the corners off the ham?” And the mom says, “Well, that’s just how my mother did it.” And later that day, when the all the family’s around, she actually has an opportunity to ask her mom. You know, I cut the corners off the ham, just like you always did. And the son asked why. And I realized I only did it because you did it. And so can you tell me why you were doing it? And with a little chuckle, she says, “because the pan was too small.” And that’s why I would cut the ham so that it would fit in the pan.

So I think, to a point that we were talking about earlier on in this episode, we have lost touch with why that runs through our traditions. And so the meaning is totally gone. And I think that that is really felt by perceptive kids, that there’s it’s vapid, there’s no intention, I think kids are very in tune with being able to perceive what energy feels like when it’s moving with intention. 

And so if there’s no real intention, which is the foundation for holding any kind of conscious space, then it’s just like, it’s not meaningful at all. Why am I reading this book? Why am I eating this stale bread? Why am I you know,-

Sunshine: Just popped into my head as any parent with a kid that’s listening will or any person that has had this result like happiness as a child, right? Like, why do kids fight doing homework homework is meant to help you practice what it is that you’ve learned. But if you happen to be of high intelligence and already learned it and know it, then why would you have to do homework to actually practice it? 

And so like, think about all the kids that like, it’s just funny, like some of them I my head of I hated doing homework as a kid, because you could sit me down in front of a test and I’d ace it without ever doing any bit of homework, but I still had to do it. And so like, I’m just thinking of Yes, kids. That is a way that that intention shows up. So if the intention of homework is to practice, so you know it. Then why would a child that already knows that need to do the homework? 

Devin: Yeah, exactly. And on that note, why are you having kids coming in for a full workday? And then having them do more work outside of their job?

Sunshine: Yeah. That’s what we’re trying to create. That’s a culture that we want to reflect upon. Yeah, no, no. Can you imagine? I mean, I’ve got friends in the education system, and they say that the system is right. For a major overhaul.

Devin: Still, where the system is based on the Industrial Revolution time. We’re trying to create factory workers, not free thinking sovereign individuals. 

Sunshine: Yeah. So like, what a difference it would be if you know, you, like tested, and then found out where your skills weren’t strongest. And then your actual teaching during school hours was just on building that skill. And then you would just test like, like, what you like, Can’t there be more-

Devin: Are you talking about more individualized education?

Sunshine: Oh my God, I love it. I love individualized education. Yes, I am.

Devin: You have to have enough money to afford.

Sunshine: Like you need you’d have to race technology to do it. Right. You’d have to be ready and willing to restructure education, but it is absolutely possible to do.

Devin:  If the resources are more than available, oh, yeah, it’s just the distribution that needs to change.

Sunshine:  For sure. Yeah, I would agree with that. I’m curious, if you were to go back, that’d be kind of the last piece, if you really go back to little Devin. And, you know, ask him how he could live a spiritual life. You think you’d have an answer for you? And if so, what would it be?

Devin: Do I have to say those specific words?

Sunshine: You know, the concept that I’m getting at.

Devin: I think if I were to ask the same question in a way that he would understand. I would ask first of all, I would tell him that I’m him from the future, because I think he would totally understand that and, and think that’s the coolest thing ever. And be like, Okay, let’s talk. And I would ask him, How do you think that you can live your life in joy? And love, feeling loved by the people around you and loving them? And always feeling well, and healthy. 

And most importantly, feeling connected to magic. How can you live a life of joy, love healing and magic? That’s, that’s how I would ask that question. And I think you’d be able to tell me, I think you would say, Well, I would just keep on being myself. That’s what he would say. I would just be exactly who I am no matter what.

Sunshine: Yeah. I asked myself the same question as I asked you, and that was the exact answer that I got. I’m not gonna like no joke, and no lie. And so like, at what point in life? At what point in life do we stop being ourselves and start being something that’s prescribed to us? So I am gonna pause on that. Because I actually think that that is a what is a perfect transition for us to move into Episode Two, which is Our Spiritual Awakening. Because let’s be real, that’s our spiritual awakening happens after we realize, oh, fuck, we’re not actually being ourselves. So for those of you that are listening to this, yes, that is a cliffhanger.

So tune in to episode two you do not want to miss out because I imagined this is going to be a pretty amazing conversation of like, how can we find our spiritual awakening and realize who we were again, so why that’s next time books. Take care and I don’t know we’ll need to come up with something awesome like, ending like saying but until then much love for me, Devin and all of you.


Devin: Farewell.


Get to know the co-hosts Sunshine and Devin

Sunshine is a Psychic Medium, Soul Healer, Spiritual Advisor, High Priestess, Reiki Master, Recovering Alcoholic and founder of Sunshine Readings. Her passion is helping others learn how to step into their shadows so they can uncover their own magick and psychic gifts needed to remove any energetic blocks to their soul’s enlightenment. She is the Creatrix of Illuminate, The Unschool of Witchcraft. This transformational program includes Sunshine’s divine-inspired gifts in 7 different monthly workshops and 1:1 access to her. In addition to owning and operating Sunshine Readings, Sunshine is also an award-winning software product manager and business operations expert that is helping corporations revolutionize their internal structure and processes to adopt a more innovative culture. In her spare time, you will find Sunshine dancing, cooking, painting, and hanging out with her five kitties in the suburbs of Detroit, Michigan.


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Rev. Devin Ryback, also known as The Mindful Mage, is a Personal Coach and Certified Hypnotherapist who helps people awaken their true magick and create powerful personal connections with the Divine in all things. Combining mindfulness, hypnosis, and over a decade of spiritual practice and experience, Devin shows up as a wise guide on the healing path for all who seek to know and be who they really are. Learn more at TheMindfulMage.com.

2 thoughts on “Deepest Spirituality Podcast Season 1 Episode 1: Our Understanding of Spirituality in our Youth”

  1. My childhood was very similar to both of yours. I always said I had the best of both worlds because I had farm fields and pastures to one side of my house and was walking distance from everything as well. However, my safe space was in my books as well as in nature because I had three siblings to escape from and my constant question was what does this mean as the child that read books way beyond what I should have understood for my age. My family was also Evangelical Free so there was much less ceremony but still a lack of understanding for the purpose of it all especially when I was in highschool.
    I will however say that a part of what I saw in my childhood as well as lacking in the way things are today is that families don’t spend as much time together or talking face to face. Many parents have allowed video games and T.V. to take precedence over talking things through, socializing with others, spending time with family, or even playing outside. Sunshine and I are almost the same age and I spent more time helping elderly people in my neighborhood, reading books, or playing outside when not in school than anything else. I think that a lack of guidance from adults especially our grandparents generation is what’s causing children to be mortal threats to each other personally.

  2. Anna – thank you so much for sharing your story with us. I often lost myself in books (this is Sunshine!) I grew up in the city, so nature wasn’t always an escape, though the outdoors was…

    And I agree with you about connecting with the elderly! I was just having this conversation the other night. During high school I worked at a retirement community and I adored it so much. I fell in love with the stories of the elderly. I adored connecting with them. I agree that it would enrich children’s lives so much if we did more of that.

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